Tuesday 9 June 2009

O2's general manager of devices Steve Alder does some explaining

UPDATE: What Alder is saying is that if you are on the £44 tariff you get a month knocked off the contract expiration date. If you have their expensive insurance at £10 a month you get another 3 months and so on... So not much use really.

Techradar has been speaking to Steve Alder at O2 and he says that if you are 12 months into your contract and spend more than £35 a month you will be eligible for early upgrade. He suggests customers, if they haven't already, ring customer services. I'm still waiting for a reply to my earlier email but I will certainly be ringing tomorrow to get a handle on this mess.
Speaking to Steve Alder, General Manager of Devices for O2 UK, he pointed out that it simply wasn't viable to let O2's iPhone customers upgrade early:

"Having subsidised much (or all - depending on tariff) of the price of a customer's iPhone 3G, we simply cannot justify invalidating that contract and subsidise a second device for the same customer.

"Much as we understand the desire of many customers to have the latest version, this would be a loss making deal for O2 and would be a distinct set of business terms for iPhone customers that don't apply to our other customers."


"Contract and upgrade terms for iPhone are exactly the same as contract and upgrade terms for any other O2 device."

Alder also pointed to an early upgrade deal O2 also currently supports for all customers, although it's unlikely to satisfy most grumpy iPhone customers given that they won't be anywhere near six months left on their iPhone 3G contract, and even fewer still be spending the amount necessary (rumoured to be £75 plus per month) to qualify for the six month early upgrade break.

"All iPhone customers who spend more than £35 per month are eligible for earlier upgrade under our Priority List programme, the only early upgrade programme of its kind in our industry. Early upgrade is for 1-6 months depending on spend levels.We urge customers to call customer service to discuss their options."

More at Techradar

Orange and T-Mobile put O2 shame with iPhone contract policy

Orange and T-Mobile allow you to upgrade 12 months into an 18-month contract , so what's the f**ks going on O2?

Let's hope Apple sees sense at last and dumps these deals with the networks and just sells the iPhone to everyone that wants one.

Model letter to complain to O2 customer service

See below a model letter being pushed on Twitter.

Dear Sirs,

O2 phone number: insert info

Account holder: insert info

I write today to complain about the shocking news, as reported in The Daily Telegraph, that you are asking loyal high-value iPhone customers this year to pay to get out of their current contracts if they want to upgrade to the iPhone 3GS. I pay £44.05 every month and am 11 months into my 18-month contract. I was a new customer for O2 when I took out the iPhone 3G, having switched from Orange, just for the iPhone 3G. I am free of my contract in January. I have been told by your customer service staff today that you want £360 from me even if I am prepared to take out a 24-month contract for the new iPhone 3GS 16Gb. Then you want me to purchase a phone which is extortionately overpriced in comparison to the US. This is profiteering in it's most consumer unfriendly form.

This is a disgusting way to treat your very best, most profitable personal mobile phone customers. It is also unfair because you offered owners of the original iPhone the opportunity to upgrade after one year to the iPhone 3G without demanding any get-out-of-contract fee from them and further more according to your Twitter page only certain customers are eligible for any kind of discounted upgrade which I presume are business customers, the ones who pay even more, its becoming quite clear that your image as a company which cares is rapidly disappearing.

Unless this policy changes within a matter of days, in response not only to complaints like this one from myself but also no doubt from many other good customers, and in response to the huge groundswell of negative publicity for O2 currently being generated in the media and on social networks like Twitter(the hashtag #o2fail is being widely used) and Facebook, then I and many other customers will no doubt decide that this greedy, grossly unfair move against us is one smack too many.

Your Twitter page has handled this matter promptly which they are due credit for. But how the tariffs and pricing was published there a lot faster than your old site was a big mistake which you are now paying for publicly. The Twitter page murdered your companies reputation while the majority of your colleagues in the call centers knew nothing about the tariffs and policy.
Having spoken to two different O2 call handlers today it is evident they still do not know what the policies are. Firstly I was told there was no way what so ever to upgrade which is untrue. Secondly i was later told that I could upgrade for free, then I was put on hold for the handler to come back and rectify her mistake.

I will most certainly end my dealings with O2 come the end of my contract unless this policy changes, as soon as I am able to do so. You will lose someone after 18 months when you could potentially, had you been fairer, after only 12 months signed me up to stay with you for another two years—or longer, if you were to learn the lesson and promise to all iPhone customers that in future they will be able to upgrade whether in contract at the time a new iPhone is released to market, or not. O2 are set to lose a lot of customers due to the policy of upgrades with iPhone and the fact it is now obvious Apple will update its hardware every year, yet you will not allow customers to take out a 12 month contract which will appease everyone, especially the customer who matters who can take benefit of any new hardware.

As I can not end my contract without charge I am seriously considering lowering my tariff to the next lower one, as stipulated in the terms and conditions.

May I also add the Tethering charges are a absolute farce, especially for customers like myself who may only tether rarely, yet I need a £15 bolt on to do so? Where is this unlimited data we were all promised, or is it the fair usage ploy which will be used to answer that?

Furthermore I have been advised by customer services that your staff on the phones are sometimes advised to monitor for reports from customers on specific issues, and to forward those on to higher levels within O2. But I was advised that customer service staff have yet to be told to pass forward any complaints with regard to iPhone 3GS upgrade policy. This is contemptible. ALL complaints with regard to this matter should be forwarded to the policy makers, so that they might then learn from them and change policy in response.

I have been promised a reply to this complaint within 5 working days. However, if many other current iPhone customers of equal high value feel as betrayed and done over as I do, then I suspect you will soon be overwhelmed both on the customer service helpline and in terms of email and letters complaints volume.

I trust O2 will listen to its most high-value customers and reverse this stupid, short-sighted policy within days, if not hours. You may get new customers with this insane policy but you will not keep many of your old ones who have paid you significant sums for many months now and will stop doing so as soon as they can unless you change track, now.

I look forward to your response, answering all my questions.

Sincerely

Is O2's Simplicity the way to go with iPhone 3GS?

2GB 3G S Pay&Go - £548.30 + 18 months O2 Simplicity at £19.58 = £900.74 cost of ownership (with ability to upgrade at any time)

32GB 3G S Contract -£274.23 + 18 months O2 Contract at £34.26 = £890.91.


So assuming Simplicity works with the iPhone it could be the way to go (with a data bolt-on).

Having said that I was in an Apple Store swopping a faulty iPhone. The genius at the Genius bar activated it in-store for me but when I got it home and put an old PAYG O2 SIM in it it became deactivated - put my O2 contract SIM back in and reactivated.

I haven't come across anyone yet that says they are using a Simplicity SIM in an iPhone (that hasn't been jailbroken).

Want to tell O2 to shove it? - there's an app for that

Want to reduce your bills? - There's an app for that.

Want to minimise you contract? - There's an app for that.

Want to go tell o2 to shove it up their arse - There's even an app for that.

Thanks to Accoladeuk at macrumors

Total cost of ownership of iPhone 3GS on O2


Many existing iPhone owners are indicating that they are going to sell their existing 3G phone and get a PAYG, into which they will pop their contract SIM which means when the next 'real' upgrade happens in June/July 2010 they won't get stung by O2's greed.

Given that many of the new features will be available to existing owners through the software upgrade on the 17th this is starting to make a lot of sense, depending on your usage profile.

Unless something changes O2 is gong to see a lot of people downgrading their tariff and choosing not to renew their contract upon expiry.

Thanks to colmaclean at Macrumors for the table above.

O2 fail big time - join the iPhone 3GS rebellion

O2 charging £14.68 for tethering your iPhone

...And they are charging £14.68 for tethering - (using your phone as a modem). Customers have already paid for the 'unlimited' wifi/3G access so why are we expected to pay twice?

This is absolutely outrageous.

Why is O2 treating existing Apple iPhone customers so badly?


I sent a letter to O2 this morning (via their website) regarding the unfair treatment of existing iPhone customers who are being forced to buy out of current contract in order to buy the new iPhone 3GS:

I am not out of contract on my iPhone until 10 January 2010 and understand that O2 has barred existing customers from getting the new iPhone 3GS until the contract renewal date.

I am extremely annoyed by this.

I am on the £45 tariff and barely use half of my call allowance every month, if that. Bearing this in mind I must be pretty close to having paid for the cost of my handset already and therefore think it is only fair that I should be allowed to purchase the new phone.

I am quite happy to go onto the longer 24-month contract and to remain on the £45 tariff. Of course a contract is a contract and given the upfront subsidy provided by O2 I appreciate the company needs to recoup its costs, but I believe you have already done this in my case.

I hope O2 is flexible enough to accomodate my request or I shall be downgrading my tariff forthwith.